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mark211Quantum Muse at the Movies: Thoughts on Ghostbusters 2016 reboot?2016-03-20 01:53:25
mark211I don't know whether or not you're aware of this yet, but the original 1984 Dan Akroyd and Harold Ramis movie, Ghostbusters, is due for a 2016 reboot starring Kristen Wiig, Melissa McCarthy, Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones (the trailer is here if you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw). And for some reason there has been an enormous amount of fuss about the fact that what had been an all-male cast is now an all-female one leading to a lot of people seemingly getting their knickers in a twist (or 'panties in a bunch' as I believe the saying goes in North America). 2016-03-20 01:59:37
mark211But my question is ... why? I genuinely don't get why people are apparently upset that the cast will be women now. I know humour is subjective, but I thought 'Bridesmaids' - which also starred Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy - was really funny, so I don't get why this should be assumed to automatically suck as well. When the 1978 original Battlestar Galactica was rebooted in 2004, one of the lead characters there - 'Starbuck' - was reimagined as a woman and as I recall that show and that character in particular were both hugely popular. So why would Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck be OK but not Kristen Wiig as, kind of, a new Peter Venkman? 2016-03-20 02:05:02
mark211The movie might well turn out to be utterly awful of course, but if it does I don't think the reason will be that Wiig et al. are the main cast. So people - do you have any thoughts about Ghostbusters 2016? And what about other reboots along similar lines - how would you feel about a Captain Jane Kirk and a Miss Spock? Or a Charlotte Holmes and a Doctor Joanne H. Watson? Or how about Jennifer Saunders as the next Doctor Who (a serious proposal by the BBC apparently)? If you do or would object to this, why? If not, why not? 2016-03-20 02:08:16
God of War, RetiredShakespeare's plays have been done a "thousand" times to different themes. If the production is good, it's good. if it's bad then likewise. I don't really give a hoot if it's all female, all male or aliens in drag.2016-03-20 07:42:43
robwhaynes86I think the trailer looks absolutely hilarious. I'm with God of War, I could care less what gender, race, or even species the cast is. The much more important thing to me is if the reboot is done well.2016-03-20 12:15:03
mark211Thank God for you guys! I was starting to think it was just me! It's like the example I was trying to give of Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck - she was hugely popular in that role - that's not my imagination, is it? So why this fuss about 'Ghostbusters 2016'? I mean, it might be crap, sure, but it might be really funny too. I won't know until I see it, obviously. And @God of War, Retired: yes, really good point about Shakespeare - if Helen Mirren can play Propser*A* (instead of Prosper*O*] in a version of 'The Tempest' and do a good job of it as well - then why not this? Also, I just remembered after posting this discussion this morning that Lucy Liu does actually play a female Dr Watson in a US reboot of Sherlock Holmes (that I think is called 'Elementary'). 2016-03-20 14:16:12
robwhaynes86Katee Sackhoff was very popular in the role of Starbuck for sure. Also, Lucy Liu plays an excellent version of Watson in Elementary. I think some people get so attached to the original versions that any variation made by the reboot is taken as an affront to the original.2016-03-20 15:48:01
Wesson... I want to point something out but I'm hoping someone else gets there before I do.2016-03-20 20:42:47
Wesson... I want to point something out but I'm hoping someone else gets there before I do.2016-03-20 20:48:37
WessonCrap, it happened again, sorry for the double post.2016-03-20 20:49:02
IronspiderOK, I'll bite the bullet and await the fallout... Why are there no major male characters? Why aren't the new ghostbusters a mixed-gender team (I believe they were in the cartoon series)? Actually, to be honest, I really don't care whether the entire cast consists of reverse-role transgender actors, it shouldn't matter who plays what part when you're not playing a pre-existing character in a long-running series, where a little continuity is helpful. Before anyone comments, I'd add that I have no objection to changing genders in TV adaptations, films and plays. I've not seen the version of The Tempest (my favourite Shakespearean play) mentioned by Mark211, but I'll have to look out for it. People scoffed when Judy Dench took over the role of 'M', but she acted her co-stars off the screen and was believable as the ice-hearted boss of a spy agency. Will I go see the new Ghostbusters film? Probably not, but not because of the new cast; I'm just tired of re-boots, re-treads and Roman numerals...2016-03-21 00:30:57
robwhaynes86Completely agree with the point about pre-existing characters in long-running series. Continuity is very helpful to the flow of story in that case in my opinion. I also believe that movies that are based on books shouldn't change characters very much out of respect for the author. Still to go against my last statement, Judy Dench really was an excellent 'M'. 2016-03-21 03:50:34
God of War retiredTo Rob....86:

Screw respect to authors, what total BS. They got paid to release the rights. The director is the new artist here. The story is now the outline.

And if the author is dead, who gives a shit?

To Iron Arachnid:

Most follow-on are the equivalent to another follow-on of Sloppy Potter MMCCIV (stab me with a spoon). However, REDS II as unexceptional as it was, was a hoot, and considering the chemistry between the actors, was a rather enjoyable romp.

2016-03-21 10:12:48
robwhaynes86OK got to concede that point they do get paid to release the rights.2016-03-21 10:44:08
r.tornelloMr. Wesson, pretty funny.2016-03-21 11:18:30
John David RoseTo be honest, some of the time this type of thing bothers me and some of the time it doesn't. I don't have any problem with the reboot of Ghostbusters whatsoever. I hope it's funny. 2016-03-21 15:11:54
Ironspider@John David Rose - I guess I'd have to agree - my main dislike of the re-boot option is it shows a marked lack of imagination, some franchise just mine the same plot over-and-over, relying on the faithful to pay over their money for the books, games and films. The reboot of Robocop was a reasonable story, but was wide of the mark when you consider Verhoeven was making his version of Judge Dredd! So, if you do insist on ripping a previous incarnation of a story, at least do it with panache; for example Kurosawa's 'Yojimbo' and Leone's remake 'A Fistful of Dollars'. @GoW Retired - not seen 'Reds II', so can't comment, but yes, sometimes in films a sequel is worth the effort if the characters are engaging. But directors, and probably more often, film companies need to know when a seam has been depleted.2016-03-22 00:46:46
GordonRowlinsonI agree with Ironspider. It shows lack of imagination. I can't get excited about it unless they do something new in the flick. 2016-03-22 03:32:30
God of War, retardedBTW I never go to the theater for a remake. It has to be on the idiot box/screen. I can't sit still enough. At least on the home screen I can watch 15 minutes here and there. A day later a few more minutes of a different part of the movie so by the end of the week I've seen the whole thing, maybe.

This method allows me to watch about 5 or 6 movies at roughly the same time. This method also makes the Goddess of Insanity (AKA wife) nuts.

2016-03-22 06:08:46
micheledutcherI loved the first one and I can't imagine a reboot being better so I'm not going to see the new one. My father had just died so I got the Ghostbuster's theme song and just kept playing it over and over, to take my mind off what was happening. I hear the Mad Max remake was amazing. It's costumes and scenery was acclaimed at the Oscars #oscarssowhite. I still need to pick that up on DVD (note to self). It's the director that makes the difference - as per God of War retired. I guess they figure if they mix the cast with guys and girls, the men will overshadow the women - which is probably valid. The women just become the hero's love interest. Beta males usually trump Alpha females. God of War retired: Peace, Out. 2016-03-23 06:21:08





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