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mark211One-World Government of the Future?2016-04-17 02:27:37
mark211A fairly regular staple of many Sci-Fi stories is that at some point in the future, we're going to have a single world-government covering the whole globe. How likely this is going to be and what kind of government would we get if this ever comes to pass? There's the United Nations as a basic model, but that often comes under a great deal of criticism (at least some of which is indisputably deserved). Then on the other hand, there is the Islamic notion of the 'Ummah', or a multinational and perhaps eventually even global community of the Faithful. If the Ummah turns out to be anything like life lived under ISIS that would be unbearable. Some fear the take over by the Neoliberal forces Corporate Economic Globalisation, others a takeover by Environmentalist Puritans that care more about non-human life than human life. The possibilities are, as they say, endless. 2016-04-17 02:27:47
mark211So what are your thoughts about this? How likely is a one-world government ever likely to be? And if it were to come about, what form do you think that world government might take and how desirable do you think it would be to live under? As in Jack Vance's novel 'Big Planet', how likely would space exploration and the colonization of other planets be spurred on by those wanting to break free of the stifling conformity of a universal government? Let us know your thoughts in the usual place.2016-04-17 02:28:03
mark211@micheledutcher: A bit off topic, but at the end of last week's discussion on deep space travel, you said "How about uploading a brain inside of whatever creature is already there? I wrote a story about beings from another world who would go into the graveyards and revive creatures when they landed Earth, uploading their memories into these resuscitated minds. The creatures already on the planet are already adapted to the surface conditions - just add a life force. And you would be more accepted by the surface population. Yes, jump-starting the dead with an alien mind might one way to be a deep space traveler." This is really interesting idea but it raises all sorts of exciting conundrums about theory of mind and specifically about how minds and bodies interact with one another. For example, would minds uploaded into alien bodies go insane or perhaps just be paralysed by the kind of sensory data being sent for processing? Would they even be able to interpret those signals? I'm also not sure how easy it would be to be accepted by others from the surface body alone. For instance, a human mind in an insectoid body might face insurmountable problems in trying to communicate with other insectoid types. Still ... very interesting idea for a story!2016-04-17 02:34:16
RTFrom the ashes of this or the next one, if there is a next one.

What spark will ignite the movement?

What need?

A Technical Singularity might be the seed needed for the survival of who? or what? human

or more likely a hybrid or not at all. And then a central unity's call?

Oh I forgot, all in all , never and probably not, not with the idiots and blackheads who have lost the mandate of heaven so to speak.

2016-04-17 16:18:16
mark211I'll take that as a 'No' then ; - )?2016-04-18 11:11:56
RTYou know I have to watch my spelling BLOCKHEADS not blackheads, what a maroon (sic).

BTW Merkel arresting the writer/comedian for insulting that idiot from Turkey? You want one world with fools like that in control?

Or here in the USA, to state that Cruz is less dangerous than Trump (Sunday Washington Post Editorial OpEd) is like stating that a bite from a rattlesnake is better than one from a cobra.

and now to answer your question, not without a major paradigm shift or some country developing some technology that forces the rest of the planet to submit in one manner or another, it's not going to happen.

2016-04-18 15:26:08
WessonI think there is a greater risk of us becoming a one-world “socio-collective” rather than a one-world “government”. We’re way too connected right now. Everyone wants to be “liked” by everyone else. You could argue it's pressuring people to forsake their own personal interests in exchange for the acceptance of others.2016-04-18 21:56:13
WessonIf one-world government translates to tyranny - and it does for me - I have a feeling we’re closer to it than we’d like to believe. But it isn’t going to be a tyranny of government like everyone fears; it’s going to be a tyranny of the masses. And it’s most likely going to come from the left, at least in the U.S. It’s going to come from liberals who only advocate freedom until it offends someone, then bring down the jackboot in the name of the greater good. In other words, we’re likely to turn into a one-world mob ruled by whim. 2016-04-18 21:58:16
rtWEsson; I define your idea of "liberal" is extreme left, like Mao who was really so left he was right (and not right as correct).

Liberal in the true sense of the word is one open to different ideas and thoughts, has a wider world view, not ideologically locked and is strongly opposed to tyranny no matter the brand. RT

2016-04-19 09:05:58

Look up what Gelo of Syracuse said about the masses. You might find it comforting.

2016-04-19 09:13:04
WessonRT, I’m using the term “liberal” in a generic context because I don’t want to debate semantics but you are correct, I’m defining it as far left. Personally, I define true liberalism as not only openness to new ideas and thoughts, but also the belief in individual rights and man’s capacity for self-rule (John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). 2016-04-20 09:06:43
WessonI think what many people don’t realize is that tyranny doesn’t exist exclusively on the right, it exists on the left as well. I’d say Monarchy and Theocracy are examples of absolutism on the far right while Socialism and Fascism (which are arguably the same) are examples on the far left. The chances of Monarchy and “divine right” making a comeback seem slim to me but my generation in particular is dangerously keen on socialism these days. They don’t realize it’s just as dogmatic as the far right. 2016-04-20 09:08:11
rtindividual right yes, but in any society there is a give of pure individual rights to some sort of agreed "individual surrender" in order to maintain some degree of that society and civilization. Otherwise it's just chaos and not a society or nation. The degree and nature of that surrender is the key.

I think that argument has been going on for quite some time within the Greek and Asian philosopher's world and, beyond the moral and ethical considerations, as applied to realpolitik too.

2016-04-20 11:40:40
GordonRowlinsonI'll throw my two cents in. I see two long term trends in history. First over the years, the common man has gotten more rights. This is a very good long term trend not tyranny. Because of more rights, I cannot envision a future where people all around the world would accept the authority of foriegn leadership. On the other hand, the world is becoming more interconnected with trade and global corporations. With increased global interdependence, it is probable some kind of political organization will follow. If a political organization evolves, my guess is it will be a weak and global leadership will be decentralized. Am I right? I don't know. BTW, has anyone seen a Sci Fi depiction of a one world government that is not evil? I dare anyone to mention an example of a Sci Fi one world govt where the leaders are NOT evil and corrupt.2016-04-20 15:52:28
RTGordon how about: Star Dreck2016-04-20 18:08:12
GordonRowlinsonGood point.2016-04-20 18:23:02
rtGordon: Remember that's from OUR point of view. A Klingon would feel differently, yes?

It's a matter of world view I suppose.

Mao as opposed to Jefferson, Cruz and the American ISS/Taliban, as opposed to Sanders or even Trump. RT

2016-04-20 20:27:04

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