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mark211Most villainous villains?2017-01-29 10:35:37
mark211Following the rather off-topic but nevertheless interesting exchange in last week's discussion between Gordon Rowlinson, Rick Tornello and Wesson, I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on who the most villainous villains in SFF have been and what makes those villains just so villainous?2017-01-29 10:37:11
RTA villainous villain is one who didn't win whatever it was they were attempting, and therefore cannot rewrite the history book. 2017-01-29 12:32:20
GordonRowlinsonOn topic... How about Darth Vader? He wasn't a very nice guy.2017-01-30 09:53:50
r.tornello@ Gordon, too black and white. Nothing subtle there, Gengis Khan with a light saber. I was hoping for more like The Silence of The Lambs.2017-01-30 12:29:09
mark211@Gordon: Darth Vader is definitely a good example of a villain - relentless, terrifyingly competent, and he advertises his villainy by having a skull-faced Nazi style coal scuttle helmet, a huge Vaudevillian Dracula cloak, and big ass jack boots. Oh, and he's literally only part human too.2017-01-30 13:04:02
mark211@r.tornello: Wait, what? In what universe is "Gengis Khan with a light sabre" not a good villain? Do villains have to be subtle? Not all of them I wouldn't have said.2017-01-30 13:05:01
RT@ Mark, yeah I know but that's too easy, so typical, and so boring.

I'm not into writing too much horror and evil stuff. I see it every day, in real life. Real evil is the subtle manipulation and corruption of the mind and soul. That's a deeper evil. Look at what ISIS has done to the children it captured, or the NAZI's or the Maoists and Stalinists. And in the past the Church throughout the planet.

And here at home, what we have done to our own people,The previously enslaved, the native Americans, or to the Japanese during WW2. (The German populations in the US presented a greater threat to the US). And as children after the war we were brought up hating all these groups as non human.

I'm rambling, sorry, but I believe I made a point.

2017-01-30 16:36:01
GordonRowlinsonNah. Darth Vader is the ultimate villain. He was in several movies. He dressed in black. He made a deliberate decision to pick evil over good. Yeah...It's too easy. I'll also mention Khan from Star Trek. He was scary in that he had genetically engineered superior intelligence and strength combined with a huge ego and a need for vengeance. 2017-01-31 08:46:20
IronspiderRisking a severe mauling here, but I prefer villains to be less cartoonish (if that's an acceptable word). Yes, I did enjoy the first Star Wars film (Episode IV: A New Hope), but thought that Vader became more of a caricature of a villain as time went on. His eventual betrayal of the Emperor was telegraphed from the moment he did the "I'm you Father" speech. Had he sliced off Luke's head when ordered and the Empire romped home for a final touchdown I would agree with the villainy then. But he wimped-out and went all good... Now Khan - equally cartoon-like - but he played it bad until the very end and nearly succeeded. He went down with the ship and, in a roundabout way, did manage to kill Spock and nearly got the whole crew.2017-01-31 23:39:40
Wesson (ParabellumPress)A good villain is always an irredeemable one and those are hard to come by. I can think of a few good villains but they're very obscure and not well known. I'll settle on mentioning Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII. He was a good guy until he learned the truth about himself, then he went totally mad (burning down a whole town mad). He's not shy about killing women either, if only to torture the main character. And he's obsessed with his mother. 2017-02-02 06:58:52
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RTMost villainous villains? Commercial advertisements on our sacred web site. How did she get our secret code and handshake. May her pen clog, her HD fail, her nose hairs grow down to her devils tail and most of all, call Tim, the keeper of the faith and arrange for this. 2017-02-03 05:54:36
mark211Most villainous villains? Spamming? Shilling? @RT: I concur.2017-02-04 03:45:34

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